It is rare that i use compression on my bass and kick at all, but i am wondering what your thoughts are. i make fast electronic music with a 4/4 beat.
in general, i avoid compression, maybe because i don't use it enough to fully understand, but more i think because i like the dynamics of the sound without compression. if any of you respond and feel like giving some ideas on settings that you use for this purpose as well, it would be much appreciated.
thanks to all, i would love to hear your feedback...
squee
in general, i avoid compression, maybe because i don't use it enough to fully understand, but more i think because i like the dynamics of the sound without compression. if any of you respond and feel like giving some ideas on settings that you use for this purpose as well, it would be much appreciated.
thanks to all, i would love to hear your feedback...
squee
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Re: Ideas on Compressing bass and kick together
Wed, April 2, 2008 - 5:36 PMInstead of bussing kick and bass together and then compressing them, try routing them as sends instead (both to the same aux with a comp inserted on that aux channel). Its the same way you would normally (hopefully) set up reverb or delay. This in known as parallel compression and is a good way to retain the original dynamics of the sound. Sometimes I'll send all my drums out for parallel compression. Sometimes other things.
Another good one is to set the comp on the bass channel and then route the kick to the comp's sidechain input. Instead of keying off of the bass, the comp will "see" the kick as the signal that triggers its attenuation. This is a good way to get the bass to "move out of the way" of the kick. -
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Re: Ideas on Compressing bass and kick together
Wed, April 2, 2008 - 9:40 PMYeah, that sidechained bass compression is one of the most used tricks in electronic dance music... -
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Re: Ideas on Compressing bass and kick together
Thu, April 3, 2008 - 9:23 AMi know squee's music very well as I produce the same kind of psy-trance. You don't really need to sidechain, just remove the bassline note from your sequence every time the kick hits. Unless you want to get creative in a dropdown or something and bust out a long pitch-sweeping sine wave while having your percussion running.
i route my kick drum and bassline to a group channel. Depending on how snappy i want my kick, i usually just eq it a little, sometimes i'll add a touch of 2:1 compression with a fast attack and hard knee to give it more midrange slap. On the bassline, i'll eq a little then add a 3:1 compressor with very slow attack and medium release mainly just to catch any super sub freq's that can get hot when I sustain a note longer than 1/16th (or sometimes 1/32nd note, depending on the bassline). The main key in the bassline eq is using it as a notch filter to find the resonant frequency and pull it out with -18 db spike at the thinnest Q possible.
On the group channel, i'll just pop on a Vintage Warmer or Cubase's Quadrafuzz for a little tube warmth and harmonic distortion to glue the bass together as a cohesive entity. Usually I mix around the kick and bass with my other instruments. If you pull the low end out of your other synths and percussion, it will leave a very nice open "pocket" for your kick and bass to live happily and bouncily ever after, mud free. :-) -
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Re: Ideas on Compressing bass and kick together
Thu, April 3, 2008 - 2:58 PMthanks arahat, good tips. i have definately gotten quite used to dropping kicks where there is bass and i eq my bass and kick for sure. i will give a try on some of the light compression techniques and see how they work for me..
thanks all...
squee
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Re: Ideas on Compressing bass and kick together
Thu, April 3, 2008 - 4:19 PMit's funny how Fruity Loops has become a term of derision in the audio world... -
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Re: Ideas on Compressing bass and kick together
Thu, April 3, 2008 - 5:40 PMI love Fruity Loops... !
Sometimes I like to use individual multiband compressors. Using them to scoop the kick and bass together almost like a soft crossover. Usually the kick dominants the subs, sometimes the bassline... -
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Re: Ideas on Compressing bass and kick together
Fri, April 4, 2008 - 2:15 PMwhat's up with all the deleted posts?
I love the concept of your multiband trick MrOneness, i'll have to try that!!
i just downloaded TC Powercore's ver. 3.0 OS and they've included side-chaining on all of the processors (freakin finally!!) so i'm raring to try side-chaining again in Cubase for a breakbeat project i'm workin on. Bring on them 808 samples and big sine waves!!!! -
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Fri, April 4, 2008 - 3:39 PM> what's up with all the deleted posts?
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Re: Ideas on Compressing bass and kick together
Sat, April 5, 2008 - 11:51 AMahh, gotcha. i hope i didn't start a war by posting some tricks. apologies if they were retorts against me. I'm just a humble psychedelic trance musician :-) -
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Re: Ideas on Compressing bass and kick together
Sat, April 5, 2008 - 12:16 PMHonestly, I don't know or care who the flaming was between or about. So long as people conduct themselves appropriately, I don't have to delete anything. Which is how I prefer it.
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