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I see lots of people use their own pres and mixers on stage - how do they do it?
Sometimes when performing I use a small mixer on-stage which has a regular balanced line-level output. House snakes often don't seem to have line inputs (although I guess that would solve the problem when they're available), so I'm wondering if it's ok to connect the stage mixer to a regular 'mic' channel on the snake? This seems incorrect since line level is hotter than a mic would be, but I know it will work to some degree so maybe it's ok? The goal is to keep the setup as simple as possible but not compromise the sound either. thanks...
Sometimes when performing I use a small mixer on-stage which has a regular balanced line-level output. House snakes often don't seem to have line inputs (although I guess that would solve the problem when they're available), so I'm wondering if it's ok to connect the stage mixer to a regular 'mic' channel on the snake? This seems incorrect since line level is hotter than a mic would be, but I know it will work to some degree so maybe it's ok? The goal is to keep the setup as simple as possible but not compromise the sound either. thanks...
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Re: Using a mic pre on stage
Tue, November 6, 2007 - 9:01 AMNo, you can't (and shouldn't) go direct into the stage box. You would use a direct box between the output of your preamp/mixer and the inputs on the stage box. -
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Re: Using a mic pre on stage
Tue, November 6, 2007 - 10:45 AMmy impression is that running line level into a DI is a bad idea, since a DI expects a high-impedance signal. Although, I actually have often done this in the past using a preamp set at a low level, and it does basically work ok - I'm just thinking the signal may be getting degraded. It's sort of related to my previous post about running a preamp into stompbox pedals, except I'm pretty sure most people aren't using reamps in situations where you're just connecting a stage mixer to a house mixer. -
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Re: Using a mic pre on stage
Tue, November 6, 2007 - 2:38 PMI am also wary of running through a DI to get through the box. The issue at hand really is dependent on the setup in each location. It is perfectly safe to send the output of a mixer through a stage jack panel, but where it goes from there is really the problem. If the venue's system is well-designed, the jack panel will run to a patchbay at the other end and the signal can be routed directly to the mixer without running through a pre-amp first. Many boards actually can switch between line level and mic level on input, too. That's really the key here. Just avoid running the signal through the mic pre and it should be fine. But how that is implement is dependent on the venue and the capability of the guy working their sound booth.
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Re: Using a mic pre on stage
Tue, November 6, 2007 - 2:56 PMI want to bring up a point. Most live situations are not Hifi recording environments. So before you attempt this ask yourself this.
Is using your own pre & giving up the ability to have the front of house mixer have input control an actual benefit? He will then only have post pre level control. Chances are he will then ReEQ, ReCompress, your signal anyways. This = unneeded processing and noise. This lack of control can often have worse audible effects then just using the house setup.. Every setup is different... I have used my own Pres live... But these have been situation where i know i will have clean line inputs & a competent sound man. -
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Re: Using a mic pre on stage
Tue, November 6, 2007 - 7:53 PMPoints taken, and I appreciate the feedback. To explain, the reason I need to do this is only for particular channels where on-stage control is required for inserting effects, and not to have any more control over the sound than necessary. Essentially the same as a guitarist would do (inserting effects before sending to the house), except these channels just happen to involve microphones.
For example, In one case, a vocalist needs to have a specific parametric eq effect (his eq box with a footswitch) inserted into his mic channel (for overtone singing), and needs to turn this on/off as needed. Running an effects loop from the house snake/mixer to his on-stage gear just isn't an option most of the time, so as a workaround we've been using an on-stage preamp (usually at a fairly low level). And it basically has worked through all sorts of large and small systems, but it just seems so kludgey.
I guess it is a trade-off, and it sounds best to always request line inputs to the house (which I hadn't been doing), and with any luck they can accommodate this. If not, then I'm no worse off than I am now ;)
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Re: Using a mic pre on stage
Tue, November 6, 2007 - 8:41 PMIf you can get to the mixer side of the StageBox -
then you can adapt the channel to the line input rather that the mic input. -
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Re: Using a mic pre on stage
Tue, November 6, 2007 - 10:12 PMyou can use di on a line output
it's the same as a key board output
or just use a pad
the di will sound cleaner
get some good di's they will have pad switches in them
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Re: Using a mic pre on stage
Tue, November 6, 2007 - 10:18 PMwww.whirlwindusa.com/spcint.html#imppad
these are cheep but work -
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Re: Using a mic pre on stage
Wed, November 7, 2007 - 7:53 AMthis is an appealing option if it works, because of the simplicity. At least good to have as a backup in case no line inputs are available. thanks... -
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Re: Using a mic pre on stage
Fri, November 9, 2007 - 9:42 AMThere is no problem running a balanced line through the house snake. I do it all the time. You just need to warn the sound man ahead of time that you want to hit him with a line-level signal. Most live boards these days can switch between mic and line level on the XLR ins.
Every now and then I encounter a situation where the board and/or the soundman can't or won't accept line level from the stage. In which case I go through a DI box. Not a big deal.
BTW, if the little board you're using on stage only has unbalanced outs, a DI box is always going to be your best option.
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